Rhetoric and Hands


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Eating Out 00:42
Bromide 03:41
Box of Words 03:23
Lon Chaney 03:05



WUB 009
® 2013 Water Under the Bridge Records
© 1982 Dance Noise Music (BMI)

Physical 7-inch copy available at our online store.



released April 27, 2013


Mike Hurley - Drums
Lina Sedillo - Bass
Gary Jacobelly - Guitar, Vocals
Jimmy Otter - Vocals

Produced by Peer Group

Engineered by Matt Booth

1-5 recorded December 16, 1981 at PAX Studios in Gardena, CA
Edited January 1982 at DARKSTAR Recording in Torrance, CA


Vocals on 1 & 2: Jimmy Otter
Vocals on 3, 5 & 8: Gary Jacobelly
Vocals on 4: Otter & Jacobelly
Vocals on 6 & 9: Gino Pusztai



6. "I Saw That Movie"
From New Alliance 003: "Chunks"

7. "Xmas in Purgatory"
From practice tape recorded October 1981 in Gary Jacobelly's living room on 19th & Pacific in San Pedro, CA

8. "Neuron Suite"
From practice tape recorded Fall 1982 in rented practice space on Central & 6th in Los Angeles, CA

9. "Objectification (live)"
From "San Pedro Night" at the Cathey de Grande in Hollywood, CA - May 19, 1981


Restored and mastered by Dave Eck at Lucky Lacquers

Art by Charles Ettienne, Paris 1545



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